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55,000 Sex workers in Lahore
A very shocking news in The News (Dec 8, 2005) which reads like this:
"As many as 55 per cent families from 35 localities in Lahore have one or more members as sex workers, says a study conducted by UNICEF during 2005.
The study titled "Report on Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children (CSEC) in Lahore" prepared by UNICEF made a detailed and comprehensive study of the families involved in sex trade in Lahore. According to report the estimated number of total sex workers in the city was 55000 and child sex workers 19000."
What this mean (among many other things) is that all health-care workers need to have low threshold of suspicion for sexually-transmitted diseases, including HIV.
Posted by: rqayyumPosts: 199 :: 08-12-2005 :: | Reply to this Message
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Obviously there is no city in the World where there is no prostitution but the hurting thing is the number of children forced into this filthy trade.I am not biased but actually this is my observation that a certain geographically situated area ppl in one province is too focussed on materialistic goals and they donot mind whatever means they have to use to get them Another ethical dilemma , who would want his 12 year old son or daughter to engage in Prostitution , This is the prime time in their life they need to play laugh, enjoy there life and study and make them selves shinning stars but actully what they end up is in these depths.
the bastards who are involved in this trade are actually very well connected since one of the few ppl who are well respected in our society is PIMP or suppliers and they are the favourities of the Elite.
Who buys this Child Sex , Mentally sick People . Child Molestation criminals should be hanged in Public.How can a human being be so Cruel to snatch innocence from a child , how can u just kill the smile in that child just to get a little pleasure Bastards to the Core.
Just an example that all human being evolutionised from Animals but there are still some who retain their ancestral qualities completely.
Mullahs donot raise any voice against such activities becuase they are one of the Child Molesters in the Madrassa and day in and day out we hear stories of these children being sexually molested by the mentally sick ppl in the madrassa.
Death To child Molesters.
[Edited by ijazali on 10-12-2005 at 06:44 AM GMT]
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[Edited by ijazali on 10-12-2005 at 06:47 AM GMT]
Posted by: ijazaliPosts: 151 :: 10-12-2005 :: | Reply to this Message
Re: 55,000 Sex workers in Lahore
Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world (or so they say). What I am surprised to see is the number of sex-workers - 55,000. This means that at least one out of every 100 Lahories is a sex-worker. Lets suppose that the number of clients is only twice as many(a very conservative estimate, very likely to be more than that). That puts the figure to 150,000. Now add spouses of those 100,000 clients and you have a total of 250,000. A back of the envelop calculation shows that even with this conservative estimate 1 out of every 22 Lahories is diretly or indirectly affected by this problem.
What this means for us, physicians, is that atleast one out of every 22 patients we see can have a sexually transmitted disease inlcuding Hep B and C and HIV. We should have a low threshold of suspicion for STDs.
Posted by: rqayyumPosts: 199 :: 10-12-2005 :: | Reply to this Message
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This is now becoming a political discussion and I am compelled to respond to this. First of all, why should I believe in anything that is said about my country, by the United Nations or any of its agencies? Who sponsored this type of study and why Lahore? What’s the point here? Did UNICEF miss Bangkok, Manila, Honk Kong, NYC, San Francisco, London, Amsterdam or Moscow? Just to name a few places filled with sex workers and most of them are underage by definition. And I forgot to mention some places in South America and former Eastern Europe but I think my point is quite clear.
Many of you are quick to criticize Pakistan and its health care system. Just look at the United States, most of the doctors are incompetent and corrupt. Hillary Clinton’s study group for her health plan mentioned quite a few major problems with US health care system but one of them was that only 20% of the elective surgeries performed in the US were medically justifiable. But leaving that aside, is STD under control in the US?
Then some of you come here and drag religion and everything else into your frustrated and pathetic days.
Religion has always been a cover up for the sex trade, money laundering and drug smuggling, long before Mohammed came to this world.
Posted by: chameedPosts: 173 :: 10-12-2005 :: | Reply to this Message
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I can understand the patriotism of Ex Pats living in their wealthy environment and as a consolation have all this reaction. No body is comparing pakistan with states , I want my country to be better tha states. I donot give a Damn abt what states is doing.
The worst thing we can not afford at present is not being self critical at this very very important point.
We have to look at our ethical and moral standards. It is just not important to discard any discussion rendering it as political or religious . Nothing in this world can be regarded in isolation as a single issue.
I know my mail is frustrating to you but why would i spend my time doing that, because it hurts when i see children of my country being exploited like that than there is no respect giving to anyone. No Sir madam and Maulvi Sab every body has to answer that why is my son doesnot have access to basic health care, why is there no hospital for my brother who is a doctor to get good training in.
You can dismiss everything as politics because you cannot see this thing from the tinted glasses sitting in the richest country of the World. Ask ppl who are facing the music here.
Regretful but hoping for A miracle
ijaz
Posted by: ijazaliPosts: 151 :: 10-12-2005 :: | Reply to this Message
Re: Re: Re: Re: 55,000 Sex workers in LahoreLiving in the US has not changed my life-style but that’s not the issue here. My view is that criticism without an alternative is not constructive.
Posted by: chameedPosts: 173 :: 10-12-2005 :: | Reply to this Message
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i live in lahore. in mu oppinian this report is not true. allthough there are may sex workar but this huge number,s are not true. hoever male sex workar except like hijra or khosra there are onle few person as sex workar. however many pesrson involve in male sex for fun but not for money. however i donot aggre with this report
Posted by: mirzaqayyu (Guest) :: 14-07-2007 :: | Reply to this Message
Re: Re: Re: 55,000 Sex workers in Lahoreyou are right sir.
Posted by: samreenqmcPosts: 140 :: 28-05-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
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I think we need to be continuously aware of what is or what can go wrong in the society we live in even if this is being pointed at by some ppl who may not have good intentions about us. And this is fact that at many fronts including moral ones, we have rapidly deteriorated in past 20 years or so. Reasons may be manyfold.
I think this report has some grains of truth in it even if not taken as whole truth.
Prostitution for variety of reasons is rampant globally whether due to abject poverty, illiteracy, ignorance. , alienation from basic tenets of religion. It has also acquired a shape of global trade, a business in its own right and from our point of view an organised crime. And children are not the only object although for obvious reasons are focused and lamented about more then anybody else.
This report is from platform of very prestigious and other wise very reliable institution. I see little reason that why should i deny it outright just because it s against me or my society specially when every thing we read and practise and later claim to be master of and squeeze glory from , also comes from the same quarters and also specially when we don't have our own parallel data or institutional research to challenge this report. Scientific claims can be refuted but only scinetifically not emotionally but perhaps we find our selves comfortable at later front.
while morally our whole system is fraying at edges and this is becoming more then visible as every day wears on and we ,in every department of life , are personally experiencing this rapid loss of our identity which once we used to cherish with great pride, i think we should not be hesitant in accepting reports about changing facade of our national and collective character. This is not to deny that good element don't breath any more in these environs but first step towards effective remedy would be to accept that we may be needing it, if not now then somewhere in very near future. Sweeping it under the carpet may not help us for long.
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Posted by: drfarhanPosts: 93 :: 09-06-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
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Want to politicize it? here ya go!
These studies are usually not biased. Its easy to come up with sweeping statements claiming that all agencies are against pakistan and that they merely want to tarnish the image but why would they want to dear? As far as the US medical system is concerned, allow me to correct you, you might work there and know the situation better on microlevel but we work at macrolevel in healthcare and management. You can not make sweeping statements about the US or pakistani medical system that all are incompetenet etc etc. Read up the studies on consumer satisfaction. The basic fact that people choose to forget is that medicine is not an exact, precise science, it works on hit and trial, from the top to the bottom its a huge maze of guess work (those who criticize it do it mainly cuz medical practice is very lucrative in the US and if they accept that they are practicing institutional quackery, who'd come to them?) Its an even changing field and consumerism is routing medical practice as well. Now people demand precise, immediate solution, both in Pakistan and esp in the US. Thats why you are calling doctors incompetent, its not because the doctors have become any worse, its just that patients have become much more demanding. And yes I know how the VA runs its affairs and the patients complaints etc, thats another story altogether if u r talking abt those practices. As far as studies on indications are concerned, thats very very relative. Thats why randomized controlled trials are performed on every aspect of treatment, to find out the best treatment for the right patient. If surgery is that useless that 80% operations are done without a point then maybe we can try shamans and peer faqirs. While we are at refuting facts with personal observations.
Back to the UNICEF studies. Whoever is paranoid about what goras try and do for you, well here's an example, there were only 4 countries, Pakistan, few cities of India, Nigeria and one other I dnt recall, who said polio vaccines cause impotence. Why on earth would they want to make your kids impotent/sterile and not saudi/yamani/irani/iraqi/blah blahistan kids? Why why? Why is the whole world against you? Why are the jews doing sazish against only pakistan? Why not india? paranoia has its limits. We work on funded projects and we know what we face. I have littledoubt about the findings of the report, not because the consultants are hired at $400/day but because the only benefit that would come from this would be to the children of Lahore. They are trying to help you mainly cuz many of us decided to leave this country and its problems alone, leave the kids in the villages alone, to die of cholera when 10 tabs of ciprofloxacin would have save that child had the doctor been there and not in the US or canada. Thats what we need to change, the attitudes, so that no parents would be that poor and that unhealthy and that majboor to send their children to brothels. We don;t need the 'duh thats said by the enemy' Fine, accept ist true, work very very hard to correct it, maybe if it isnt you';ll know and will have a better system, capable of serving much more people than there presently are.
[Edited by Hyder on 15-06-2008 at 07:14 PM GMT]
Posted by: HyderPosts: 9 :: 15-06-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
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i do appreciate your comments against the people who involve in nasty activity
[Edited by drrathore on 09-05-2012 at 05:32 PM GMT]
Posted by: haniaPosts: 2 :: 12-04-2012 :: | Reply to this Message