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Modern Medicine cure , industry or conspiracy
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Posted by: iqbalmdPosts: 22 :: 04-04-2006 :: | Reply to this Message
Re: Modern Medicine cure , industry or conspiracy
Interesting. However all this document proves-if it is true-is bad and unethical behavior of a few and does not prove modern medicine to be a sham, conspiracy or whatever you want to call it.
Testicular cancer cure rate- more than 90%
Hodgkins lymphoma cure rate 60-95% depending on stage
Breast cancer cure rate-50%
to name a few and I could list many more all because of rigorous, ethical and scientifically done bench and clinical research.
The most outstanding accomplishment of modern medicine if defining the molecular basis of disease and devising targeted treatments for those.
Give you a few examples
Imatinib MEsylate-CML and gastrointestinal stromal tumors
Sunitininb-CML and renal cel carcinoma
Herceptin-Breat cancer
Antibodies to vascular endothelial growth factors-colon and lung cancers
and again the list goes on and on.
Peace
Posted by: oncomanPosts: 23 :: 10-04-2006 :: | Reply to this Message
Re: Re: Modern Medicine cure , industry or conspiracyThere is no cure for cancer. Let's get that straight. Now if you wanna talk like a brain washed robot, then off course, there is cure. For me, survival rate would be the appropriate response.
Posted by: chameedPosts: 173 :: 10-04-2006 :: | Reply to this Message
Re: Re: Modern Medicine cure , industry or conspiracy
Thnak you for comments
But we have to find why the incidence of cancer is so high in the first place, is it beacuase of genitcaly enginered food, toxins etc or may be oversue of antibiotics, drugs etc. for example the incidence of crohn's disease and ulcerative collitis is very low in those areas of the world where GI parasitic infestaions is high and vice versa,are we treating diseases in way which lead to another disease processes.
Reagrding survival rate. i have much difficulty to come to terms with the term survival, cos i believe in living not surviving, do we have such low standards for our outcomes that by prolonging survival no mater how miserable it is, is enough for us and is some thing to be proud of ??.
I, see many 85 years old with three vessel coronary artey disease taking cholestrol lowering medicine, is that ethical, i doubt it, how much you want and can prolong the life that 70, 80 or 90 year old person.
Why do we allow people to advertise foods like Mcdonalds KFC full of cholestrol, it is funny that American medical association has never asked for ban on food portions or calorie/cholestrol content of these foods.
More so interesting is when a Mcdonald jumbo burger is followed by and add of Lipitor, are we doctors and researchers suppose to internvene and stop this non sense, or are we happy dealing with all these funny screening tools and making money out different visits, and just finding the facts that big burger is bad, but keep using it and we will find ten more problems with it in next years, and will make more buisness out of it.
There are many such things which need to be looked at.
sell poison at one shop and cure at another, if i am the owner of both buisneses who is at loss.
Again Thank you fro comments
IQBAL
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Posted by: iqbalmdPosts: 22 :: 10-04-2006 :: | Reply to this Message
Re: Modern Medicine cure , industry or conspiracy
On the other hand, here are lots of disorders where, environmental causes play a little role. Where there is strong environmental correlation, there in growing awareness and efforts to control.
Where there has been apathy in the control of potential environmental causes of diseases, it has been on the part on those who are not primarily in the medical or scientific field. i.e. tobacco control because of vested interests of governments in getting tax money from its sales etc.
Posted by: oncomanPosts: 23 :: 11-04-2006 :: | Reply to this Message
Re: Re: Modern Medicine cure , industry or conspiracyI suggested Google for a reason. Don’t get yourself entangled in complicated subjects like blood alcohol levels.
Posted by: chameedPosts: 173 :: 11-04-2006 :: | Reply to this Message
Re: Re: Modern Medicine cure , industry or conspiracy
I agree that doctors or people leading the medical profession or medcial organizations, are quite to the extent of being criminal, cause all these organizations do is collect money from doctors making rules for licensures etc.
But unfortunately doctors are being used as an instrument in this whole big game.
And regarding all new research well may be not all but most of the recent research is sposored by corporate buinesses. So most of the time when i study is conducted on a medicine, rights of publications are reserved by that corporation.
Viox is the recent scam, where results were published drug was mrketed and yet some of the medical scholars and publishers were so innocent, not to be aware of the potetial harmful effects of medicine. Treat pain and give heart attack.
I wish most of the medical research was independent rather than sposored.
Medcial research and porfession is abandoned in third world and hijacked in the leading world by corporations, that makes me doubt the authneticity of it as a whole.
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Posted by: iqbalmdPosts: 22 :: 11-04-2006 :: | Reply to this Message
Re: Modern Medicine cure , industry or conspiracy
silence, is not the answer, i can see many doctors have reviewd the articles but few have responded. No response is the worst sign, cos if we dont agree or disagree with a suggestion that is bad, because that means we dont have opinion on the subject, or may be we dont want to have an opinion, or we are too scared to discuss it, or even worse we dont think what are we practicing, we just do it. And that exactly what corporations have made of us, so busy to think of our daily meals and money and big cars, dont have time to think.
Posted by: iqbalmdPosts: 22 :: 11-05-2006 :: | Reply to this Message